Comments on: Final Class – And Thank God http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/ Just another WordPress.com weblog Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:01:00 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Chris http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-545 Chris Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:01:00 +0000 http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-545 I agree with your observations 100%. I have nearly completed my master's degree at UoP, and I am wishing that I had gone to a traditional school instead. My bachelor's degree was earned at a brick-and-mortar school, and I did a mix of online and on-campus classes at that school, so I have an inkling of how online learning can be done, and done well. UoP does not do it well. They are, however, a marketing machine, and they are good at that - and that's all they need to be good at to continue to thrive. I agree with your observations 100%. I have nearly completed my master’s degree at UoP, and I am wishing that I had gone to a traditional school instead. My bachelor’s degree was earned at a brick-and-mortar school, and I did a mix of online and on-campus classes at that school, so I have an inkling of how online learning can be done, and done well. UoP does not do it well. They are, however, a marketing machine, and they are good at that – and that’s all they need to be good at to continue to thrive.

]]> By: a frustrated student http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-534 a frustrated student Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:11:23 +0000 http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-534 Your totally correct they are not fair some of them don't even look at the individual form to help a student in need or even provide a second chance. I did not even want to study Business Communications, but the counselor told me that it was going to work for me in what I wanted I just asked if they had film production and he was dead wrong now I am stuck with a degree I don't even want and paying for everything. All the people of the staff of the UOP are very rude to me every time I ask for help or guidance treating me like if I am a nobody. If I had the opportunity to do it all over again I would have never listened to that counselor, and I would never go to that dreaded University again I hate it !! Your totally correct they are not fair some of them don’t even look at the individual form to help a student in need or even provide a second chance.

I did not even want to study Business Communications, but the counselor told me that it was going to work for me in what I wanted I just asked if they had film production and he was dead wrong now I am stuck with a degree I don’t even want and paying for everything.
All the people of the staff of the UOP are very rude to me every time I ask for help or guidance treating me like if I am a nobody.
If I had the opportunity to do it all over again I would have never listened to that counselor, and I would never go to that dreaded University again I hate it !!

]]> By: NotVeryNice http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-533 NotVeryNice Mon, 25 May 2009 17:56:19 +0000 http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-533 I've got 1 class left at UOP (Online), but I haven't taken all of my classes there. I've taken my share of traditional classes at what many in the post would consider legitimate, respectable schools. You may be right about the extent to which UOP is or is not respected in the industry, but you're not right about the quality of education. I've been in classes in the other schools where graduating seniors had to sound words out syllable by syllable when reading out loud, and the I've never taken a single class at any of those institutions where I felt like I learned much. I've already been in the professional world for a while. I'm an IT Mgr at a Fortune 200 organization, and I make six figures. My boss, a VP, doesn't have a degree. Our organization's CTO doesn't have a degree. I know a few additional high level senior executives that don't have degrees. What they all do have is a high level of intelligence and creativity, a tremendous work ethic and a long history of success. I've gotten what success I've had so far through (I think) the same means. The degree doesn't make or break you. Outside of a few select top institutions, the school doesn't make any difference either. You make all of the difference. Most of the facilitators at UOP aren't very good, but it doesn't matter. Team members often don't pull their load, but it doesn't matter either because you're going to get that your whole career. What matters is the extent to which each of you make the choice to learn and succeed. It's not profound, but that's all there is to it. I’ve got 1 class left at UOP (Online), but I haven’t taken all of my classes there. I’ve taken my share of traditional classes at what many in the post would consider legitimate, respectable schools.

You may be right about the extent to which UOP is or is not respected in the industry, but you’re not right about the quality of education. I’ve been in classes in the other schools where graduating seniors had to sound words out syllable by syllable when reading out loud, and the I’ve never taken a single class at any of those institutions where I felt like I learned much.

I’ve already been in the professional world for a while. I’m an IT Mgr at a Fortune 200 organization, and I make six figures. My boss, a VP, doesn’t have a degree. Our organization’s CTO doesn’t have a degree. I know a few additional high level senior executives that don’t have degrees. What they all do have is a high level of intelligence and creativity, a tremendous work ethic and a long history of success. I’ve gotten what success I’ve had so far through (I think) the same means.

The degree doesn’t make or break you. Outside of a few select top institutions, the school doesn’t make any difference either. You make all of the difference. Most of the facilitators at UOP aren’t very good, but it doesn’t matter. Team members often don’t pull their load, but it doesn’t matter either because you’re going to get that your whole career. What matters is the extent to which each of you make the choice to learn and succeed.

It’s not profound, but that’s all there is to it.

]]> By: Kara http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-532 Kara Fri, 15 May 2009 21:40:48 +0000 http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-532 Kara, I am running into the same problem. NOBODy will hire me either. Kara, I am running into the same problem. NOBODy will hire me either.

]]> By: ...really? http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-531 ...really? Wed, 06 May 2009 22:12:17 +0000 http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-531 Unfortunately, I have to agree with Josh. I have not only obtained a Bachelor's degree from UOP but I have been an Enrollment Counselor for two years. I have defended the school, performed above goal and am unable to move up within my own company! This is especially frustrating that not one person on the upper management team has a degree form UOP. I no longer have any motivation to work hard and I sure do not want to enroll anyone into this mess of a program and school. Unfortunately, I have to agree with Josh. I have not only obtained a Bachelor’s degree from UOP but I have been an Enrollment Counselor for two years. I have defended the school, performed above goal and am unable to move up within my own company! This is especially frustrating that not one person on the upper management team has a degree form UOP. I no longer have any motivation to work hard and I sure do not want to enroll anyone into this mess of a program and school.

]]> By: Rachael http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-530 Rachael Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:39:38 +0000 http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-530 Thanks, Josh I agree mostly with what you are saying and I am also on my last and final class with UoP. My most frustrating experiences have been with learning teams and having to complete most work myself, mostly because I refused to submit sub-standard work, but then I should have realized much sooner that I was going to a sub-standard school. I tell people I am about to graduate because I am happy I completed 4 years, but I cringe when I tell them where I got my degree from...it's almost as if I didn't earn anything at all because UoP has such a rep for being a degree mill. What a waste!!! I would never recommend this school to anyone Thanks, Josh

I agree mostly with what you are saying and I am also on my last and final class with UoP. My most frustrating experiences have been with learning teams and having to complete most work myself, mostly because I refused to submit sub-standard work, but then I should have realized much sooner that I was going to a sub-standard school. I tell people I am about to graduate because I am happy I completed 4 years, but I cringe when I tell them where I got my degree from…it’s almost as if I didn’t earn anything at all because UoP has such a rep for being a degree mill. What a waste!!! I would never recommend this school to anyone

]]> By: Kara http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-529 Kara Sat, 14 Mar 2009 08:16:19 +0000 http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-529 I have a M.ed from UOP and NOBODY will hire me. I have so much student debt and no schools will accept my degree as real. I keep calling the UoP and all the want is thier money. I am very angry about this. I have a M.ed from UOP and NOBODY will hire me. I have so much student debt and no schools will accept my degree as real. I keep calling the UoP and all the want is thier money. I am very angry about this.

]]> By: Butch http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-526 Butch Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:05:21 +0000 http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-526 As with any education you get out what you put in. I have 7 weeks remaining before graduation, and have taken 24 classes at UoP. Yes some have been more challenging, yes I have had difficult or incompetent facilitators, and some of the teams have been horrible to work with. But all in all I feel my education has been a good one, even though at times I feel like the cost is too high, financially and personally. I have worked hard and it shows. The bottom line is would you do it again? My answer is YES. As with any education you get out what you put in. I have 7 weeks remaining before graduation, and have taken 24 classes at UoP. Yes some have been more challenging, yes I have had difficult or incompetent facilitators, and some of the teams have been horrible to work with. But all in all I feel my education has been a good one, even though at times I feel like the cost is too high, financially and personally.
I have worked hard and it shows. The bottom line is would you do it again? My answer is YES.

]]> By: Robert http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-525 Robert Sun, 07 Sep 2008 07:53:40 +0000 http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-525 nice blog - and i agree. UOP is terrible OBTW, I hear Apollo is expanding to Canada and S. America. God Help online education.. nice blog – and i agree. UOP is terrible OBTW, I hear Apollo is expanding to Canada and S. America. God Help online education..

]]> By: Mike http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-519 Mike Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:40:23 +0000 http://uopeducation.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/final-class-and-thank-god/#comment-519 Preach on. Those who have disagreed most likely have a stake in Apollo group/Axia/UoP. Preach on. Those who have disagreed most likely have a stake in Apollo group/Axia/UoP.

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